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And so of course in a little body that threat of I will kill my mom.

So there was just the abuse cut me off from my mother and I really needed really needed a mother as does everyone, but it was that sense between she and I of the abuse particularly disconnecting us that made me totally orphaned.

Even to have to name some of these things about the abuse in my past and to have them held out by a state social worker is not the same as kind of, so just becoming a foster license was deeply hard.

Rachael: Which again is always complex for little bodies, right? As a poet, Gwen loves specificity and metaphor, and holds it to be true that everything matters.

Like a sense of my own story handled well with care and attainment therapy through, through doing story work through.

How did you fit in that world? She also wrote a series about a girl named Emily who I would say was probably a very highly sensitive person and saw the world with just so much acuity and always was thinking and observing about all of her family members.

About Gwen is a Seattle-based therapist in private practice since 2009 and a facilitator with The Allender Center since 2016.

I think that I think I was born with a really highly sensitive system and was never going to be anything but that.

So when you started The Allender Center I was immediately intrigued and wanted to be a part of it, and so, I just remember getting to experience going through the externship and getting to know more and more about myself and other people through the realm of story and just finding us so poignantly important.

In this episode, Dan and Rachael talk with Gwen St.